JOUT
Johnson Outdoors Inc.Johnson Outdoors Inc. designs, manufactures, and markets seasonal and outdoor recreational products for fishing worldwide. It operates through four segments: Fishing, Camping, Watercraft Recreation, and Diving. The Fishing segment offers electric motors for trolling, marine battery chargers, and shallow water anchors; sonar and GPS equipment for fish finding, navigation, and marine cartography; and downriggers for controlled-depth fishing. This segment sells its products under the Minn Kota, Hum
2-Year Price History
Quarterly Financials & Projections
| Period | Rev | EBITDA | OpIn | NI | OCF | FCF | CapEx | Cash | Debt | Shares | ROIC | IntCov | EV/EBITDA | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Est | 2028-Q2 | 175.0 | 12.3 | -- | 5.3 | -- | -3.5 | -4.4 | 212.3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2028-Q1 | 122.0 | -8.5 | -- | -11.0 | -- | -31.7 | -4.3 | 215.8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q4 | 150.0 | 5.3 | -- | -0.8 | -- | 22.5 | -4.5 | 247.5 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q3 | 195.0 | 21.5 | -- | 11.7 | -- | 64.4 | -4.9 | 225.0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q2 | 170.0 | 11.1 | -- | 4.3 | -- | -5.1 | -4.3 | 160.6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q1 | 118.0 | -9.4 | -- | -11.8 | -- | -33.0 | -4.1 | 165.7 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2026-Q4 | 148.0 | 4.4 | -- | -1.5 | -- | 23.7 | -4.4 | 198.8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2026-Q3 | 192.0 | 20.2 | -- | 10.6 | -- | 67.2 | -4.8 | 175.1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Act | 2026-Q2 | 194.5 | 15.4 | 10.4 | 9.4 | -12.3 | -18.5 | -6.2 | 107.9 | 46.0 | 10.4 | 33.7% | 319.7x | 11.8x |
| Act | 2026-Q1 | 140.9 | 3.9 | -2.9 | -3.3 | -38.4 | -42.7 | -4.3 | 130.7 | 46.8 | 10.3 | -10.6% | 68.4x | 12.2x |
| Act | 2025-Q4 | 135.8 | 0.4 | -8.2 | -29.1 | 23.4 | 19.3 | -4.2 | 176.4 | 48.7 | 10.3 | -27.8% | 6.3x | 25.0x |
| Act | 2025-Q3 | 180.7 | 15.8 | 7.3 | 7.7 | 71.4 | 66.9 | -4.5 | 161.0 | 46.9 | 10.2 | 12.8% | 322.6x | -- |
| Act | 2025-Q2 | 168.4 | 9.5 | 4.9 | 2.3 | -1.7 | -5.0 | -3.3 | 94.0 | 48.8 | 10.3 | 8.9% | 139.2x | -- |
| Act | 2025-Q1 | 107.7 | -14.1 | -20.2 | -15.3 | -36.9 | -41.0 | -4.1 | 101.6 | 50.1 | 10.3 | -45.7% | -299.5x | -- |
| Act | 2024-Q4 | 105.9 | -34.8 | -42.8 | -34.3 | 19.1 | 13.5 | -5.6 | 162.0 | 49.3 | 10.2 | -88.2% | -941.5x | -- |
| Act | 2024-Q3 | 172.5 | 5.8 | -0.5 | 1.6 | 73.7 | 67.4 | -6.3 | 148.4 | 50.8 | 10.3 | -0.6% | 156.6x | 50.5x |
| Act | 2024-Q2 | 175.9 | 8.0 | -0.3 | 2.2 | -18.1 | -23.3 | -5.2 | 84.3 | 52.6 | 10.2 | -0.5% | 199.3x | 19.4x |
| Act | 2024-Q1 | 138.6 | 11.0 | 0.1 | 4.0 | -33.7 | -38.7 | -5.0 | 109.6 | 53.5 | 10.2 | 0.1% | 288.5x | 10.5x |
| Act | 2023-Q4 | 96.3 | -17.6 | -22.6 | -16.0 | -3.5 | -6.7 | -3.2 | 138.6 | 52.3 | 10.1 | -30.1% | -463.0x | 12.7x |
| Act | 2023-Q3 | 187.1 | 23.9 | 17.4 | 14.8 | 63.3 | 57.9 | -5.4 | 149.3 | 54.7 | 10.2 | 20.3% | 611.5x | 7.0x |
| Act | 2023-Q2 | 202.1 | 24.1 | 11.4 | 14.9 | -0.5 | -7.9 | -7.4 | 107.7 | 55.6 | 10.2 | 12.6% | 633.0x | 8.5x |
| Act | 2023-Q1 | 178.3 | 12.0 | 5.5 | 5.9 | -17.6 | -24.2 | -6.7 | 103.4 | 57.0 | 10.2 | 6.3% | 323.4x | 6.2x |
| Act | 2022-Q4 | 196.4 | 15.7 | 13.3 | 9.7 | 24.3 | 17.7 | -6.5 | 129.8 | 57.9 | 10.2 | 19.9% | 435.6x | 7.5x |
| Act | 2022-Q3 | 203.8 | 22.8 | 23.8 | 14.1 | 18.2 | 8.8 | -9.4 | 117.6 | 51.5 | 10.2 | 34.5% | 759.8x | -- |
| Act | 2022-Q2 | 189.6 | 16.7 | 15.4 | 9.9 | -41.9 | -51.4 | -9.5 | 113.2 | 48.3 | 10.2 | 23.6% | 340.4x | -- |
| Act | 2022-Q1 | 153.5 | 18.1 | 13.8 | 10.9 | -62.8 | -69.0 | -6.2 | 167.5 | 48.5 | 10.1 | 20.1% | 476.8x | -- |
AI Analysis
LLM Evaluations
Johnson Outdoors is a family-controlled, niche outdoor recreation company recovering from a cyclical trough with improving revenue trends and margin expansion. However, the recovery is largely base-effect driven, the company faces intensifying competition from better-capitalized rivals (Garmin, Brunswick/Navico) in its core Fishing segment, corporate overhead consumes nearly all segment-level profit, and the full US tax valuation allowance signals management's own doubts about sustained profitability. At ~$52/share and 14x trailing FCF, the stock prices in a recovery that may prove fragile given tariff headwinds, customer service deterioration, and limited pricing power. The debt-free balance sheet and 2.6% dividend provide downside support, but the risk/reward skews negative given competitive dynamics and the stock's recent run-up from 2024 lows.
Latest Earnings Call
Transcript Summary
Johnson Outdoors delivered a robust second quarter for fiscal 2026, with revenue climbing 15.5% to drive a significant increase in operating income. The Fishing segment led the performance, fueled by strong unit volume growth for Minn Kota and Humminbird products. Additionally, the Camping, Watercraft, and Diving segments all posted gains, aided by a strategic emphasis on e-commerce and digital engagement. Management highlighted a gross margin improvement to 38.8%, resulting from successful cost-savings programs and better fixed-cost absorption from higher sales. While operating expenses rose due to volume-related costs and internal investments in systems and compensation, the company maintained a debt-free balance sheet and a steady dividend. During the analyst Q&A, management acknowledged potential headwinds from inflationary pressures and electronic component costs but emphasized that their innovation pipeline is the key catalyst for consumer demand. They remain cautious about the macroeconomic climate and consumer confidence levels but believe their market-leading brands are well-positioned for long-term growth. The company expects the tax rate to remain variable due to valuation allowances but forecasts a total tax expense of 4 to 5 million dollars for the fiscal year. The overall outlook remains focused on balancing financial discipline with strategic growth investments.
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Forward Outlook & Risk
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Institutional Ownership
Headline & net flow
In Q1 2026 so far (quarter still filing), institutions are net sellers — bought 9.4% of float, sold 13.4%. 1 filer moved >1% of shares (0 buying, 1 selling).
Ownership composition
Top holders
| Fund | $ value | Cost basis | Δ QoQ | Δ YoY | α life | Fund AUM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Johnson Financial Group, Inc. | $44.2M | $32.68 | −$34.9M | −$34.9M | -0.0% | $2.76B |
| BlackRock, Inc.Passive | $20.4M | $35.08 | +$991K | +$4.0M | -0.2% | $5.69T |
| GAMCO INVESTORS, INC. ET AL | $19.9M | $41.41 | +$446K | +$1.4M | -0.0% | $10.15B |
| DIMENSIONAL FUND ADVISORS LPPassive | $16.5M | $55.36 | −$1.3M | −$7.0M | -0.4% | $480.92B |
| Wallace Capital Management Inc. | $11.6M | $50.10 | +$2.8M | −$2.7M | -0.1% | $871M |
| Divisadero Street Capital Management, LP | $8.8M | $40.62 | −$902K | +$8.8M | +0.8% | $2.14B |
| DEPRINCE RACE & ZOLLO INC | $8.1M | $43.89 | −$4.1M | −$7.5M | -1.1% | $5.29B |
| GEODE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT, LLCPassive | $7.0M | $43.80 | +$273K | +$849K | +2.3% | $1.61T |
| AQR CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LLC | $6.9M | $40.27 | +$2.3M | +$5.4M | -0.2% | $218.19B |
| ACADIAN ASSET MANAGEMENT LLC | $6.5M | $43.29 | +$3.4M | +$5.8M | -0.5% | $70.48B |
| First Eagle Investment Management, LLC | $6.5M | $28.51 | +$0 | +$1.5M | +0.7% | $58.96B |
| Russell Investments Group, Ltd. | $6.2M | $43.68 | −$1.7M | −$419K | +1.5% | $93.03B |
| STATE STREET CORPPassive | $6.1M | $47.10 | −$97K | +$38K | -0.2% | $2.89T |
| Aristides Capital LLC | $6.0M | $41.48 | +$783K | +$5.6M | -0.2% | $295M |
| CSM Advisors, LLC | $5.9M | $35.08 | −$23K | +$5.9M | +0.3% | $4.07B |
| TWO SIGMA INVESTMENTS, LP | $5.8M | $42.09 | +$2.9M | +$4.1M | -0.7% | $117.03B |
| Allspring Global Investments Holdings, LLC | $5.6M | $43.44 | +$919K | +$2.9M | -0.6% | $59.61B |
| De Lisle Partners LLP | $4.8M | $40.97 | +$0 | +$0 | -0.7% | $836M |
| AMERICAN CENTURY COMPANIES INC | $4.5M | $41.23 | +$1.1M | +$3.7M | +0.3% | $193.48B |
| RENAISSANCE TECHNOLOGIES LLC | $3.7M | $59.17 | −$102K | −$1.4M | +1.2% | $63.91B |
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Top-5 holders · 40.3%
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Insider Trading (last 12mo)
| Date | Side | Insider | Title | Shares | Price | Dollars | Owned $ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2026-03-17 | SELL | FAHEY JOHN M JR | director | 2,368 | $44.63 | $106K | $948K |
| 2026-03-02 | SELL | FAHEY JOHN M JR | director | 1,588 | $49.07 | $78K | $1.16M |
| 2026-02-23 | SELL | Sheahan Richard Casey | director | 7,580 | $49.77 | $377K | $286K |
| 2025-12-19 | SELL | FAHEY JOHN M JR | director | 1,240 | $44.26 | $55K | $1.01M |
| 2025-12-17 | SELL | Lang Edward F | director | 2,000 | $43.94 | $88K | $1.41M |
Order Flow (FINRA, ~3w lag)
Revenue Breakdown
Revenue Segments
| Fishing | $140.2M | +8% |
| Diving | $21.2M | +7% |
Filing Risk Analysis
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Johnson Outdoors Inc.: Cash Drain Amidst Bloated Receivables and Tax Adjustments
Counter-Thesis
Counter-Thesis & Recent News
Johnson Outdoors (JOUT) reported a mixed Q2 2026 on May 8, 2026, with an EPS miss ($0.89 vs. $0.91 expected) that triggered a nearly 3% pre-market decline. This follows a disastrous Q4 2025 where the company posted a massive EPS loss of -$2.83, far worse than the -$0.68 forecast. Full-year 2025 results revealed a net loss of $34.3 million ($3.35/share). Management has specifically warned that upcoming tariffs will impact the business, despite its U.S. manufacturing base, and has implemented a $25.9 million non-cash reserve on U.S. deferred tax assets due to ongoing losses.
The core bear case centers on persistent unprofitability and a 'value trap' profile. Despite being a 'turnaround' story, JOUT has struggled with flat revenue and volatile earnings. Analysts at Sidoti recently slashed FY 2026 EPS estimates from $1.15 down to $1.00, citing rising operating expenses (up $11.2 million in Q2 2026) and 'cautious' retail environments. Furthermore, the company's dividend payout ratio is currently unsustainable relative to earnings (-60.27% payout ratio due to net losses), and forecast revenue growth of ~4.5% significantly trails the broader US market average of 10.7%.
A major red flag is the April 3, 2025, copyright infringement lawsuit filed by ISLA Mapping LLC, alleging that Johnson Outdoors' Humminbird CoastMaster mapping data illegally copied proprietary tracks. Financial red flags include the $25.9M tax asset reserve, which indicates the company itself is skeptical about its ability to generate near-term taxable income to realize those assets. Additionally, institutional sentiment is cooling, with MarketBeat reporting a consensus 'Reduce' rating and multiple downgrades from Zacks and Sidoti in the last six months.
JOUT is facing intensifying pressure from larger-scale rivals Garmin and Lowrance (Navico/Brunswick). Garmin's 'Force' line and Lowrance's 'Ghost' series are aggressively taking market share from JOUT’s flagship Minn Kota brand, particularly in the high-margin brushless trolling motor segment. Being smaller than its primary rivals, JOUT lacks the R&D scale to match Garmin's rapid innovation cadence in live-imaging sonar (Panoptix), forcing JOUT into a defensive position with its 'Quest' series and Humminbird electronics.
Sentiment among power users is deteriorating due to perceived service failures. Recent BBB and Trustpilot reviews highlight significant frustration with Minn Kota's warranty department and a lack of authorized repair centers, with some customers reporting 1.5-hour wait times and $3,000 motors failing within a year without coverage. This 'unanswered' complaint status on public forums suggests a breakdown in customer support that could erode the brand loyalty JOUT traditionally relied upon to maintain its premium pricing.
Full Earnings Call Transcript
Full Earnings Call Transcript — Q2 • 2026-05-08
Operator: Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Johnson Outdoors Inc. second quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call will be led by Helen P. Johnson-Leipold, Johnson Outdoors Inc.’s Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Also on the call is David W. Johnson, Chief Financial Officer. Prior to the question-and-answer session, all participants will be placed in a listen-only mode. After the prepared remarks, the question-and-answer session will begin. If you would like to ask a question during that time, please press star then the number 11 on your telephone keypad. This call is being recorded. Your participation implies consent to our recording this call. If you do not agree to these terms, simply drop off the line. I would now like to turn the call over to Allison Gitzaro from Johnson Outdoors Inc. Please go ahead, Ms. Gitzaro. Allison Gitzaro: Good morning, and thank you for joining for a discussion of Johnson Outdoors Inc.’s results for the 2026 fiscal second quarter. If you need a copy of today’s news release, it is available on our website at johnsonoutdoors.com under investor relations. I also need to remind you that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements. These statements are made on the basis of our current views and assumptions and are not guarantees of future performance. Actual events may differ materially from those statements due to a number of factors, many beyond Johnson Outdoors Inc.’s control. These risks and uncertainties include those listed in our press release and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. If you have any additional questions following the call, please contact David W. Johnson or Patricia G. Penman. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Helen P. Johnson-Leipold. Helen P. Johnson-Leipold: Thanks, Allison. Good morning, everyone. I will begin by sharing perspective on our second quarter and year-to-date results as well as give an update on each business. David will review the financial highlights, and then we will take your questions. Improved retail conditions and ongoing success of our product innovation helped drive 15.5% revenue growth in the second quarter, with all business segments contributing to the improvement. Operating income for the second quarter was much improved versus the prior-year second quarter due to increased sales volume, and our cost-savings initiatives continued to boost profitability as well. Year to date, our net sales are 21.5% higher than last year’s fiscal six-month period, with operating income and gross margin also up for the fiscal year-to-date period. We are pleased with our second quarter and year-to-date results and are particularly proud of our market-leading brands, which continue to resonate with consumers and reinforce our leadership position across our portfolio. Our Fishing business delivered strong results in the second quarter, driven by improved trade conditions, continued robust demand for Humminbird’s Explorer Series and MEGA Live 2 fish finders, and Minn Kota’s full lineup of trolling motors, as well as pricing action. These factors combined to reinforce our momentum and position in the marketplace. We remain focused on investing in innovation to deliver fishing technology that sets the standard for anglers worldwide. In Camping and Watercraft, growth during the quarter was supported by our expanding digital and e-commerce capabilities, with Old Town and Jetboil maintaining their leadership position in competitive categories. During the quarter, Jetboil also launched TrailCook, a new innovation designed to expand the brand beyond boiling water into broader backcountry cooking. In both brands, we will continue to build on our strengths to drive sustained growth through innovation and deep engagement with outdoor enthusiasts. Lastly, in our Diving business, improved conditions across the global markets and continued growth in e-commerce helped drive a solid increase in second quarter sales. Digital engagement continues to play an increasingly important role, enhancing connectivity between our SCUBAPRO brand, retail partners, and consumers. As we continue to lean into digital channels and strengthen our global footprint, we are optimistic about SCUBAPRO’s ability to grow and further reinforce its position in the market. Overall, we are pleased with the quarter and year-to-date results. By investing in and executing our strategic priorities—consumer-driven innovation, digital and e-commerce excellence, and operational efficiencies—we are strengthening our market position and taking the right steps to navigate macroeconomic uncertainty while building long term. Now I will turn the call over to David for more detail on the financials. David W. Johnson: Thank you, Helen. Good morning, everyone. Our strategic cost-savings program remains critical and continues to deliver meaningful benefits to our bottom line. Gross margin for the second quarter improved to 38.8%, up 3.8 points from the prior-year quarter. Overhead absorption from higher volumes and cost savings were the main drivers of the improvement in gross margin. Year to date, gross margin is 37.9%, up 4.9 points from the prior year-to-date period. Operating expense increased 11.2 million from the prior-year second quarter, due primarily to increased sales-volume-related costs as well as increased variable compensation costs. Profit before income taxes for the second quarter was 10.2 million compared to 4.2 million in the previous-year quarter, driven mostly by the improvement in operating income. As we prepare for the upcoming selling season, we modestly increased inventory levels. Our inventory balance at the end of the second quarter was 186.9 million, up about 6.8 million from the previous year’s second quarter. Our balance sheet remains debt-free, and we continue to pay a meaningful dividend to shareholders, with the Board approving our most recent dividend announced in February. Looking ahead, despite ongoing economic uncertainties, we remain firmly focused on financial discipline and actively managing the business to balance near-term pressures while continuing to invest in priorities that support sustainable growth. Now I will turn the call over to the operator for the Q&A session. Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. If your question has been answered and you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press 11 again. One moment for our first question. Our first question comes from Anthony Chester Lebiedzinski with Sidoti. Your line is open. Anthony Chester Lebiedzinski: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Certainly nice to see the really strong revenue growth, especially in Fishing. So as it relates to Fishing, how much was revenue helped by pricing versus better market conditions and a stronger competitive position? David W. Johnson: We saw strong unit volume growth in our business, and that was a big driver for the quarter. Pricing certainly helped, and we are also seeing really strong demand for our broad line of trolling motors. That is very helpful. Anthony Chester Lebiedzinski: Gotcha. Thanks, David. So do you think this is perhaps a sort of replacement cycle from the bump from COVID, or is there something else going on? Helen P. Johnson-Leipold: The market is very hard to predict, but we have innovation that continues to drive purchases. Consumers are a little cautious with all the things going on, but innovation is the catalyst to get things moving. We are hoping this is the beginning of an upward trend, but it is going to be challenging, and innovation will be the key going forward. Anthony Chester Lebiedzinski: Gotcha. Okay. Thanks for that. So as far as the other two segments, you highlighted the increased sales through e-commerce. Can you expand on that a little bit and, if possible, give us some numbers as it relates to the growth you saw in the quarter? And how are you thinking about the rest of fiscal 2026 as it relates to Diving and Watercraft and Camping? Helen P. Johnson-Leipold: E-commerce is one of our growth initiatives, and we have put a hard core press on that. It reaches a much broader consumer base, and we are really excited about it. Our bricks-and-mortar partners remain important, and both channels complement each other. We have been up and running in a true digital mode for only about a year, so it is early, and we have a lot to learn, but it is a good opportunity to reach a broader audience. I think it will continue to grow. It is a smaller piece of the pie than our other sales, but from a growth standpoint it is helping us. We do not do a lot of forward-looking commentary, but as we look at the third quarter, the signs in the second were good and better than they have been in the past. The world is complicated, and consumers have a lot going on, but it comes back to the product line, the brand, and our positioning in the market. We feel really good about where we are as a brand and as a company, and we are hoping the markets cooperate as well. It is good to have a quarter that feels very strong. Anthony Chester Lebiedzinski: That is very helpful context. As far as the world out there, as you talk to your retail customers, since the Iran conflict started in late February, gas prices have gone up quite a bit. From the point-of-sale data you can access, have you seen any notable impact for your brands? David W. Johnson: I would say not yet, Anthony. We have not seen a direct impact, but like a lot of companies, we are looking at inflationary pressure and higher input costs. Helen P. Johnson-Leipold: And we are mindful of worried consumers whose confidence levels are down. David W. Johnson: So far it is okay; we have not seen a direct impact, but we are looking at things in a neutral fashion over the next couple of quarters. Anthony Chester Lebiedzinski: Understood. As far as gross margin, you had a strong improvement versus last year. You talked about fixed-cost absorption and cost savings. Was that kind of a 50/50 split? And second, regarding cost pressures, how should we think about gross margins for the rest of the fiscal year? David W. Johnson: Most of the improvement was operating—so fixed-cost absorption. Our cost-savings program is also critical and helped as well. We are seeing cost pressure going forward. Like many companies, electronic industry component costs are dynamic for us, and that is something we have our eye on and are monitoring. That could be a bit of a headwind over the coming quarters, so it is a good thing we have our cost-savings efforts in place to help offset that. Anthony Chester Lebiedzinski: Got it. In terms of operating expenses, they came in higher than we expected. Roughly, how much of the year-over-year increase came from sales-volume-related costs versus incentive compensation? And how should we think about operating expenses for the rest of the fiscal year? David W. Johnson: A decent portion was volume related—probably about a third—and then we had some variable compensation accrual adjustments that made up about a third. There are some other items in there that we did not call out, like certain health care costs and consulting expense. But the two big ones were the volume-related items and the variable compensation. Anthony Chester Lebiedzinski: And do you expect that to continue near term? Any general comments there? David W. Johnson: The expense structure will probably settle down a little bit. Volume drives some of that, but in terms of our spending and our ability to manage, I think it will settle down over the next couple of quarters. Helen P. Johnson-Leipold: We are investing and putting foundational systems in place, and we are investing against our key priorities. It is good spend, and it may not be long term. As David said, it will settle down, and we are investing in the right things to set us up for long-term success. We will get more efficient on the other side of this. David W. Johnson: Agreed. We expect to be more efficient as these investments mature. Anthony Chester Lebiedzinski: Lastly from me, the tax rate came in lower than we expected. David, can you address that and how we should think about the tax rate for the balance of the fiscal year? David W. Johnson: Because we have the valuation allowance on the U.S. income right now, the tax rate will be up and down depending on the mix of profits we see in the quarter and what we are forecasting for the full year. A practical way to think about it is probably 4 to 5 million of tax expense for the year. How that is spread over the quarters depends on the mix of profit, so it is hard to give you a rate quarter by quarter. Anthony Chester Lebiedzinski: Understood. That is definitely helpful. Thank you very much, and best of luck. David W. Johnson: Thanks, Anthony. Operator: I am not showing any further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Helen P. Johnson-Leipold. Helen P. Johnson-Leipold: Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. If you have additional questions, please contact David W. Johnson or Patricia G. Penman. Have a good day. Thank you. Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today’s presentation. You may now disconnect, and have a wonderful day.