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Heritage Global Inc.Heritage Global, Inc., together with its subsidiaries, operates as an asset services company with focus on financial and industrial asset transactions. The company provides market making, acquisitions, dispositions, valuations, and secured lending services. It focuses on identifying, valuing, acquiring, and monetizing underlying tangible and intangible assets. Heritage Global Inc. acts as an adviser, as well as a principal, acquiring, or brokering manufacturing facilities; surplus industrial mac
2-Year Price History
Quarterly Financials & Projections
| Period | Rev | EBITDA | OpIn | NI | OCF | FCF | CapEx | Cash | Debt | Shares | ROIC | IntCov | EV/EBITDA | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Est | 2028-Q1 | 14.5 | 2.0 | -- | 0.9 | -- | 0.7 | -0.3 | 20.3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q4 | 16.5 | 3.3 | -- | 1.8 | -- | 2.3 | -0.3 | 19.6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q3 | 13.8 | 1.8 | -- | 0.8 | -- | 0.7 | -0.3 | 17.3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q2 | 15.0 | 2.4 | -- | 1.2 | -- | 1.4 | -0.3 | 16.6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q1 | 13.5 | 1.6 | -- | 0.7 | -- | 0.3 | -0.3 | 15.2 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2026-Q4 | 15.5 | 2.8 | -- | 1.6 | -- | 1.9 | -0.3 | 15.0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2026-Q3 | 12.8 | 1.4 | -- | 0.6 | -- | 0.4 | -0.3 | 13.1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2026-Q2 | 14.2 | 2.1 | -- | 1.1 | -- | 1.1 | -0.3 | 12.7 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Act | 2026-Q1 | 12.7 | 0.9 | 0.5 | 0.7 | -2.2 | -2.7 | -0.6 | 11.6 | 1.4 | 35.0 | 3.4% | 42.9x | 6.1x |
| Act | 2025-Q4 | 11.9 | 1.2 | 0.9 | 0.3 | 1.6 | 1.0 | -0.6 | 20.5 | 1.6 | 35.4 | 5.8% | -- | 5.7x |
| Act | 2025-Q3 | 11.4 | 1.5 | 1.3 | 0.6 | 0.1 | -0.2 | -0.3 | 19.4 | 1.8 | 35.2 | 8.6% | -- | 5.7x |
| Act | 2025-Q2 | 14.3 | 2.6 | 2.2 | 1.6 | 1.9 | 1.7 | -0.2 | 19.9 | 6.2 | 35.5 | 14.9% | -- | 6.4x |
| Act | 2025-Q1 | 13.5 | 1.5 | 1.4 | 1.1 | 2.6 | -4.8 | -7.4 | 18.8 | 6.5 | 36.1 | 9.1% | -- | 5.5x |
| Act | 2024-Q4 | 10.8 | 4.9 | 1.5 | -0.2 | -5.5 | -5.5 | -0.0 | 21.8 | 2.7 | 36.8 | 9.5% | -- | 3.9x |
| Act | 2024-Q3 | 10.4 | 1.5 | 1.5 | 1.1 | 3.0 | 3.0 | -0.0 | 26.6 | 3.0 | 37.2 | 10.1% | -- | 6.4x |
| Act | 2024-Q2 | 12.0 | 2.3 | 3.5 | 2.5 | 6.1 | 6.0 | -0.1 | 24.6 | 8.7 | 36.8 | 21.5% | 21.1x | 6.9x |
| Act | 2024-Q1 | 12.2 | 1.9 | 2.6 | 1.8 | 1.7 | 1.7 | -0.0 | 15.6 | 9.3 | 37.4 | 16.1% | 20.8x | 7.4x |
| Act | 2023-Q4 | 15.3 | 4.7 | 4.6 | 4.9 | 0.5 | 0.4 | -0.0 | 12.3 | 9.9 | 37.5 | 39.6% | 47.4x | 7.4x |
| Act | 2023-Q3 | 15.6 | 2.9 | 2.8 | 2.0 | 5.9 | 5.9 | -0.0 | 15.6 | 12.1 | 37.7 | 18.5% | 52.0x | 10.0x |
| Act | 2023-Q2 | 13.1 | 3.2 | 3.1 | 2.8 | -2.0 | -2.1 | -0.1 | 15.0 | 11.0 | 37.7 | 27.9% | 31.9x | 7.3x |
| Act | 2023-Q1 | 16.6 | 4.0 | 3.9 | 2.8 | 9.3 | 9.2 | -0.1 | 15.7 | 8.0 | 37.3 | 32.5% | 59.0x | 5.4x |
| Act | 2022-Q4 | 13.8 | 3.3 | 3.2 | 10.0 | 3.9 | 3.8 | -0.1 | 12.7 | 7.2 | 37.1 | 39.0% | 193.1x | 4.7x |
| Act | 2022-Q3 | 12.7 | 3.6 | 3.5 | 2.3 | 1.5 | 1.4 | -0.1 | 17.5 | 4.5 | 37.2 | 46.6% | 171.8x | -- |
| Act | 2022-Q2 | 11.1 | 3.8 | 3.6 | 2.6 | 2.4 | 2.4 | -0.0 | 16.1 | 5.6 | 37.0 | 55.4% | 101.5x | -- |
| Act | 2022-Q1 | 9.4 | 1.0 | 0.9 | 0.7 | 3.1 | 3.1 | -0.0 | 15.1 | 5.8 | 36.8 | 16.4% | 26.5x | -- |
Multiples vs the company's own history — cheap or rich relative to itself? Historical fiscal years, then TTM, then forward projections (E). Forward rows hold today's price against projected earnings, so the multiple compresses if the company grows into it.
| Year | Price | Rev Gr | EBITDA % | EBITDA | EV/EBITDA | EV/FCF | P/E | P/S |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2022 | 2.35 | — | 24.9% | 12 | 4.7× | 5.1× | 3.9× | 1.3× |
| 2023 | 2.78 | +29.1% | 24.5% | 15 | 7.4× | 8.2× | 9.0× | 1.9× |
| 2024 | 1.85 | -25.1% | 23.4% | 11 | 3.9× | 8.1× | 11.6× | 1.3× |
| 2025 | 1.24 | +12.4% | 13.2% | 7 | 5.7× | n/m | 15.9× | 1.1× |
| TTM | 1.22 | +7.7% | 12.2% | 6 | 0.0× | 0.0× | 0.0× | 0.0× |
| 2027E | 1.22 | +17.0% | 0.2% | 0 | 0.0× | 0.0× | 0.0× | 0.0× |
EBITDA in reporting-currency $M. Historical multiples use year-end market cap (split-adjusted price history); TTM & forward years use today's.
AI Analysis
LLM Evaluations
Heritage Global is a micro-cap asset services company with an inherently lumpy, hard-to-predict business model trading at ~0.88x TTM revenue. While the counter-cyclical tailwinds from rising consumer delinquencies and distressed CRE loans are real, execution risks are substantial: (1) the $23.7M nonaccrual loan from a single borrower represents ~35% of equity and carries minimal reserves - a partial write-down is highly probable; (2) the DebtX acquisition is immediately loss-making with $5.3M in goodwill on an $8.5M purchase; (3) TTM FCF is negative despite positive EBITDA; (4) executive compensation at 10.2% of revenue is excessive for a company this size; (5) the business lacks operating leverage - revenue grew 10% YoY but net income fell 31%. Management talks a big game about 'needle-moving' deals and aggressive growth, but cash is declining, margins are compressing, and the single-borrower default creates a binary risk that could materially impair book value. The stock is cheap on headline metrics but appropriately so given the risk profile.
Latest Earnings Call
Transcript Summary
Heritage Global Inc. (HG) reported Q1 2026 results featuring $1 million in consolidated operating income, down from $1.4 million year-over-year. CEO Ross Dove described the quarter as a period of transition, where steady performance in core segments was offset by a $600,000 operating loss from the newly acquired DebtX platform. The loss was attributed to integration costs and seasonal transaction lows. However, the Industrial Assets division saw growth, earning $1.2 million with help from a $400,000 real estate gain in Huntsville. The Financial Assets division benefited from record volumes in subprime auto loans via NLEX, driven by rising market delinquencies. CFO Brian Cobb reported revenue of $12.7 million and net income of $700,000 ($0.02 per share). The company remains financially robust with $6.2 million in net available cash and continued its share buyback program. Management’s strategy is now focused 100% on growth, involving aggressive hiring in sales and valuation teams and tech upgrades. With a strong pipeline for DebtX and NLEX heading into Q2, leadership is bullish on achieving higher margins—targeting 70%—and improved profitability as the year progresses.
Valuation & Metrics
Market Stats
TTM Financial Snapshot
DCF Fair Value Estimate
Forward Outlook & Risk
Short Interest
Forward Projections & Estimates
Employees
Institutional Ownership
Headline & net flow
In Q1 2026 so far (quarter still filing), institutions are roughly balanced — bought 3.3% of float, sold 3.7%.
Ownership composition
Top holders
| Fund | $ value | Cost basis | Δ QoQ | Δ YoY | α life | Fund AUM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| PUNCH & ASSOCIATES INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT, INC. | $3.1M | $2.46 | −$191K | −$286K | -0.3% | $1.72B |
| Mink Brook Asset Management LLC | $3.0M | $1.76 | +$285K | +$505K | -0.0% | $179M |
| Topline Capital Management, LLC | $2.4M | $1.80 | −$89K | +$123K | -4.2% | $605M |
| VANGUARD CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LLCPassive | $2.3M | $1.36 | +$2.3M | +$2.3M | — | $4.04T |
| Truffle Hound Capital, LLC | $1.5M | $1.91 | +$0 | +$612K | +2.7% | $163M |
| Koshinski Asset Management, Inc. | $1.2M | $2.00 | +$0 | −$7K | -0.0% | $1.60B |
| Militia Capital Management LLC | $767K | $1.36 | +$767K | +$767K | — | $435M |
| GEODE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT, LLCPassive | $465K | $2.11 | −$25K | −$45K | +2.3% | $1.61T |
| RENAISSANCE TECHNOLOGIES LLC | $332K | $2.84 | −$181K | −$6K | +1.2% | $63.91B |
| Ridgewood Investments LLC | $323K | $2.21 | −$5K | −$5K | -0.6% | $237M |
| DIMENSIONAL FUND ADVISORS LPPassive | $278K | $2.90 | −$7K | −$49K | -0.4% | $480.92B |
| Evernest Financial Advisors, LLC | $274K | $1.36 | +$264K | +$274K | -1.4% | $477M |
| VANGUARD FIDUCIARY TRUST COPassive | $226K | $1.36 | +$226K | +$226K | — | $395.83B |
| BlackRock, Inc.Passive | $200K | $1.67 | +$10K | +$12K | -0.2% | $5.69T |
| STATE STREET CORPPassive | $159K | $2.81 | +$0 | +$0 | -0.2% | $2.89T |
| Rothschild Wealth LLC | $111K | $1.24 | −$380K | +$111K | -6.3% | $1.10B |
| Man Group plc | $108K | $2.45 | +$28K | +$8K | -0.4% | $47.62B |
| SUSQUEHANNA INTERNATIONAL GROUP, LLPMM | $63K | $2.11 | −$60K | +$9K | -0.6% | $77.14B |
| NORTHERN TRUST CORPPassive | $50K | $2.85 | +$0 | −$28K | -0.2% | $755.34B |
| GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP INC | $48K | $2.94 | −$20K | +$48K | -0.2% | $760.93B |
Trading behavior
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Biggest decreases this quarter
New buyers this quarter
Top-5 holders · 71.5%
Top Holders Over Time
5-year share-count history (top 10 holders by peak, incl. exited) + price
Analyst Coverage
| Quarter | Revenue | EBITDA | Net Inc | EPS | EPS Range | # Analysts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 Q3 | 13M | 3M | 2M | $0.05 | $0.05 – $0.05 | 1 |
| 2025 Q4 | 13M | 3M | 1M | $0.03 | $0.03 – $0.03 | 1 |
| 2026 Q1 | 13M | 3M | 1M | $0.03 | $0.02 – $0.04 | 2 |
| 2026 Q2 | 13M | 3M | 1M | $0.04 | $0.03 – $0.04 | 2 |
| 2026 Q3 | 14M | 3M | 1M | $0.04 | $0.04 – $0.04 | 2 |
| 2026 Q4 | 16M | 3M | 2M | $0.05 | $0.05 – $0.05 | 1 |
| 2027 Q1 | 13M | 3M | 1M | $0.03 | $0.03 – $0.03 | 1 |
| 2027 Q2 | 14M | 3M | 2M | $0.05 | $0.05 – $0.05 | 1 |
| 2027 Q3 | 14M | 3M | 2M | $0.05 | $0.05 – $0.05 | 1 |
| 2027 Q4 | 17M | 3M | 3M | $0.08 | $0.08 – $0.08 | 1 |
Corporate
Executive Compensation (2023-2025)
Insider Trading (last 12mo)
| Date | Side | Insider | Title | Shares | Price | Dollars | Owned $ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2026-05-01 | SELL | Sklar James Edward | officer: EVP, Gen Counsel & Secretary | 3,734 | $1.33 | $5K | $342K |
| 2026-04-01 | SELL | Sklar James Edward | officer: EVP, Gen Counsel & Secretary | 3,734 | $1.35 | $5K | $353K |
| 2026-03-02 | SELL | Sklar James Edward | officer: EVP, Gen Counsel & Secretary | 3,734 | $1.30 | $5K | $344K |
| 2026-02-02 | SELL | Sklar James Edward | officer: EVP, Gen Counsel & Secretary | 3,734 | $1.37 | $5K | $368K |
| 2026-01-02 | SELL | Sklar James Edward | officer: EVP, Gen Counsel & Secretary | 3,734 | $1.23 | $5K | $335K |
| 2025-12-01 | SELL | Sklar James Edward | officer: EVP, Gen Counsel & Secretary | 3,734 | $1.31 | $5K | $362K |
| 2025-11-03 | SELL | Sklar James Edward | officer: EVP, Gen Counsel & Secretary | 3,734 | $1.43 | $5K | $400K |
| 2025-10-01 | SELL | Sklar James Edward | officer: EVP, Gen Counsel & Secretary | 7,468 | $1.63 | $12K | $462K |
Order Flow (FINRA, ~3w lag)
Revenue Breakdown
Revenue Segments
| Service | $6.9M | -10% |
| Product | $5.8M | +0% |
Filing Risk Analysis
Filing Risk Scores
Heritage Global Inc.: Single-Borrower Default Endangers 35% of Total Equity
Counter-Thesis
Counter-Thesis & Recent News
Heritage Global (HGBL) reported a double-miss for Q1 2026 (May 7, 2026), with EPS of $0.02 missing the $0.03 estimate by 33% and revenue of $12.28M falling 10.8% short of forecasts. This follows a disappointing FY2025 where net income plummeted 31% YoY despite a revenue increase, as profit margins eroded from 11% to 7% due to rising operating costs (Investing.com, Simply Wall St).
The bear case is driven by 'unprofitable growth' and integration risks. The $8.5M acquisition of DebtX, intended to bolster the Financial Assets division, immediately reported a $600,000 operating loss in Q1 2026. Additionally, the business model is inherently volatile; management admitted that a single missed liquidation event can swing annual earnings by up to 40%, making it a high-risk micro-cap with unpredictable cash flows (DCFmodeling, Investing.com).
A major red flag is the recent cooling of analyst sentiment; while previously a consensus 'Strong Buy,' the analyst pool now includes a 'Sell' rating (MarketBeat). Two analysts have also revised earnings downwards for the next period. Furthermore, operating expenses remain persistently high, estimated at $10M for the year, which is significantly outstripping net income growth (Ticker Nerd, MarketBeat).
HGBL is trailing its key competitor, Information Services Group (III), which outperforms HGBL on 10 of 16 financial metrics, including a superior Return on Equity (ROE). Institutional conviction is also significantly lower for HGBL, with only 33.5% institutional ownership compared to 73.1% for III, suggesting large money managers are skeptical of HGBL's long-term outperformance (MarketBeat).
Sentiment in the company’s core sectors—subprime auto and debt brokerage—is facing severe headwinds from increased regulatory scrutiny. The FTC and CFPB are prioritizing 'junk fee' and 'consumer protection' enforcement in 2026. Because HGBL profits from distressed debt and subprime asset liquidation, any shift toward more aggressive consumer protection laws poses a systemic threat to their client volume and the viability of their 'charged-off' debt portfolios (Goodwin Law/JDSupra).
Full Earnings Call Transcript
Full Earnings Call Transcript — Q1 • 2026-05-08
Operator: Hello, and welcome, everyone, joining today's Heritage Global Inc. First Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this call is being recorded, and we are standing by if you should need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the meeting over to John Nesbett, IMS Investor Relations. Please go ahead. John Nesbett: Thank you, and good afternoon. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that this conference call contains forward-looking statements based on current expectations and projections about future events and are subject to change based on various important factors. In light of these risks, uncertainties and assumptions, you should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date of this call. For more details on factors that could affect these expectations, please see our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Heritage Global's Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Ross Dove. Ross, please go ahead. Ross Dove: Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome, and thank you for joining. As always, I will add a bit of color, and then I will turn the call over to Brian to drill down line by line and dime by dime. For me, I can tell you, I now really understand the saying, "a million bucks ain't what it used to be". I can hear my mom saying, "just okay, isn't okay". And I hear you mom. Q1 earning $1 million NOI was the story really truly in two parts. It was a respectable profit but less than our goals and leaving us with some ground to make up as we move forward. Personally, I like this better not having as fast a start and having the challenge of making it up than worrying about fizzling later on. I feel good about where we're at. We're used to a challenge here at HG and excited to get the job done. The 2-part story was a solid growth performance across our existing business units and a loss that was larger than expected or anticipated in our newest DebtX acquisition. It is truly not unusual to get out of the starting gate slow right after an acquisition, and I believe that's just the story here. We have fine-tuned our growth plans and set goals across not just DebtX, but they're company-wide. After you hear from Brian, I will give you somewhat of an inside look at some of those ongoing programs that have not only begun but are in progress. Brian, you're up now. Brian Cobb: Thank you, Ross, and welcome, everyone. We started 2026 with a profitable quarter that reflects both the resilience of our core segments and the expansion of our financial asset capabilities, positioning us for improved performance over the course of the year. Consolidated operating income was approximately $1 million in the first quarter of 2026 compared to $1.4 million in the prior year quarter. Our Industrial Assets division reported steady performance with operating income of approximately $1.2 million in the first quarter of 2026 compared to $1 million in the first quarter of 2025. And in our Financial Assets division, we reported operating income of $1 million in the first quarter of 2026 compared to $1.7 million in the prior year quarter. Our Industrial Assets division saw a continued trend of high-volume auction activity throughout the quarter with limited opportunity to execute large-scale auctions. Against that backdrop, our Auction and Liquidation business saw sequential quarter-over-quarter growth while capitalizing on our real estate investment in Huntsville, Alabama. We realized a positive impact to operating income of approximately $400,000 as a result of the seller and tenants repurchase of the real estate assets in early March. The final exit of our investment in Huntsville related to the machinery and equipment is expected to occur within the next few months. In our Refurbishment and Resale business, our continued focus on upgrading inventory quality is now translating into tangible results, including faster turnover and increased profitability. Our Financial Assets division saw a sequential improvement over the fourth quarter of 2025 as well, as NLEX continues to see strong activity across key consumer asset classes, including subprime auto, where elevated delinquencies and charge-offs are driving asset supply. The first quarter transactions reflected meaningful contribution from this asset class, and we remain well positioned given our deep seller relationships and consistent execution. In January, and as mentioned on our fourth quarter 2025 earnings call, we acquired substantially all of the assets of the Debt Exchange, a leading full-service loan sale adviser that expands our capabilities in the growing secondary loan market. DebtX reported a first quarter operating loss of approximately $600,000, reflecting the seasonal nature of the business where transaction activity is typically lowest. That said, we remain excited about the segment's prospects for the remainder of 2026 and beyond, particularly as we integrate the platform and expand our business development capacity to drive incremental opportunities across our broader Financial Assets division. Additional consolidated financial results include the following: revenue was $12.7 million in the first quarter of 2026 compared to $13.5 million in the first quarter of 2025. Adjusted EBITDA was $1.4 million compared to $1.8 million in the prior year period. Net income was approximately $700,000 or $0.02 per diluted share compared to $1.1 million or $0.03 per diluted share in the first quarter of 2025. Our balance sheet is strong with stockholders' equity of $67.8 million as of March 31, 2026, compared to $67 million at December 31, 2025, with net working capital of $11.6 million. Our cash balance reflects a total of $11.6 million as of March 31, 2026, and after removing amounts due to our clients or payables to sellers on our balance sheet. Our net available cash balance was $6.2 million. And lastly, we repurchased approximately 107,000 shares in the open market during the first quarter of 2026 at an average cost per share of $1.32. We have approximately $7.4 million in remaining aggregate dollar value of shares that may be purchased under the 2025 repurchase program. And with that, Ross, I'll turn it back over to you. Ross Dove: Thank you, Brian. So our commitment across the board is entirely to growth right now. That is 100% of our focus, and I'll give you a few reasons why I think we're right on track. Not counting DebtX, everyone else had a quarter where they grew and everyone else has a pipeline where they believe they can grow throughout the rest of the year, looking at everything they're doing. We've made investments in technology. We've made investments in people. We've added sales and business development people almost across the board, and we're still in a hiring and training phase where we believe that headcount will matter and getting more people out there in front of more people is really the answer. There are a lot of openings right now. Just a few examples of some openings. NLEX had a record quarter in the subprime auto sector. It is a rapidly growing sector, one we're very good at and really believe can be the needle mover this year, and we anticipate a record year in the subprime auto sector, and we're very confident about it. HGP has added four business development sales personnel, and we believe that not too far down the road, that will expand our reach. Our valuation group is bringing in more team members going after more sectors, focusing on both the banks and also with a harder push into the nonbanks. Overall, we're comfortable with our plan. We're comfortable with our prospects, and we're comfortable with our position in the marketplace. So really, at this point in time, it is all about execution and making a solid push for growth. And that is my role as the leader, and that's what my team and I are putting every bit of effort into. Thank you for sticking with us. We look forward to talking to you throughout the year and showing you how we grow this business. Best to you all, and we're here to answer questions now or any time you wish. Operator: [Operator Instructions] And we will take our first question from Jacob Stephan with Lake Street Capital Markets. Jacob Stephan: So it seems like overall, the debt market is -- you have a solid positioning there. I'm just curious, I would like to hear a little bit more on the trends that you're seeing, notably in NLEX and also the DebtX business on the commercial residential side. Ross Dove: So on the NLEX side, we have a really, really strong pipeline now. It's led by subprime auto. It changes quarter-to-quarter and year-to-year based upon everything out there and where the supply is. We still have plenty of headroom in the credit card sector. We have plenty of headroom and some new wins in the buy now, pay later sector. And we have some of our clients that are expanding the amount of assets they're giving us. So overall, I think it's a very healthy place to be right now. We're very busy on all fronts. If you said, what are we leading with right now? I think the subprime auto loans would be at least our leader over the next quarter or two of where we think there's the most expansion, but we're looking at everything there. And we're also doing some HELOC loans and a lot of diversified loans. On the DebtX side, -- we had a slow start that's rapidly picking up. We're looking right now at very high prospects for Q2 that we're excited about bringing to fruition. The slow start sometimes can just be after an M&A deal, and it can also be after the fact that sometimes the lenders and everybody just don't get out the gate selling. They get out the gate figuring out what they want to sell. So a lot of times, you have a first 90 days where they're doing the in-house analytics and then bringing the product to market. That sales staff is out every day talking to people. We've signed up a bunch of business I don't think there's any one single CRE sector that's dominated. And that's kind of good news that it's very diverse and across the board. We have some very large deals and some smaller deals. And on the good side, they're coming from not just banks, but they're coming from specialty lenders and nonbanks and insurance companies. So we've really got a broad-based offering in Q2 and beyond. And it's kind of why we're optimistic. I'll end it there. Jacob Stephan: Great. And maybe just one more. It seems like gross margins were pretty solid this quarter. I'm curious, as we look forward with better kind of revenue, it sounds like in the future, especially from DebtX, what's kind of a good gross margin kind of level that you feel like you can reach? Ross Dove: Brian, I'll let you handle that one. Brian Cobb: Yes. So our margins -- our gross margin this quarter was improved if you look at a year ago. That really has to do with higher-margin service revenue coming from DebtX or other sides of the Financial Asset business division. So the more revenue we generate at DebtX, the higher the margins should go. We've historically had a mix of industrial and financial margins between 50% and 70%. I think as we get higher to 70% is a good target with a strong performance from the financial side. Operator: And at this time, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I will now turn the meeting back to management for closing remarks. Ross Dove: Thank you all for listening in, and thank you all for paying attention. I feel good about where we're at. I would have liked to have delivered a larger profit in Q1. But at the same time, I'm very proud that we delivered a respectable profit, although not as large as we hoped. I think as the year moves on, we have lots of upside to improve from here. We're very ambitious to do so and very bullish on our products as the year moves by. So stay tuned, and we're going to get to work. Thank you. Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's meeting. We appreciate your time and participation. You may now disconnect.