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Cullen/Frost Bankers, Inc.Cullen/Frost Bankers, Inc. operates as the bank holding company for Frost Bank that offers commercial and consumer banking services in Texas. It operates in two segments, Banking and Frost Wealth Advisors. The company offers commercial banking services to corporations and other business clients, including financing for industrial and commercial properties, interim construction related to industrial and commercial properties, equipment, inventories and accounts receivables, and acquisitions; comm
2-Year Price History
Quarterly Financials & Projections
| Period | Rev | EBITDA | OpIn | NI | OCF | FCF | CapEx | Cash | Debt | Shares | ROIC | IntCov | EV/EBITDA | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Est | 2028-Q1 | 625.0 | 190.6 | -- | 178.1 | -- | 112.5 | -18.8 | 1,772 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q4 | 635.0 | 196.9 | -- | 184.2 | -- | 127.0 | -25.4 | 1,660 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q3 | 625.0 | 196.9 | -- | 184.4 | -- | 206.3 | -18.8 | 1,533 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q2 | 615.0 | 190.7 | -- | 178.4 | -- | 135.3 | -15.4 | 1,326 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2027-Q1 | 600.0 | 183.0 | -- | 171.0 | -- | 90.0 | -18.0 | 1,191 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2026-Q4 | 610.0 | 189.1 | -- | 176.9 | -- | 134.2 | -24.4 | 1,101 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2026-Q3 | 600.0 | 189.0 | -- | 180.0 | -- | 210.0 | -18.0 | 966.8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Est | 2026-Q2 | 590.0 | 182.9 | -- | 174.1 | -- | 118.0 | -14.8 | 756.8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| Act | 2026-Q1 | 574.8 | 224.6 | 202.4 | 171.0 | 237.3 | 198.7 | -38.6 | 638.8 | 4,644 | 63.6 | 10.7% | 1.6x | 14.4x |
| Act | 2025-Q4 | 745.9 | 219.8 | 198.0 | 166.3 | 180.7 | 138.2 | -42.5 | 9,983 | 4,768 | 63.6 | 10.1% | 1.3x | 3.3x |
| Act | 2025-Q3 | 745.6 | 230.2 | 208.0 | 174.4 | 248.6 | 315.8 | -67.2 | 18,615 | 4,819 | 64.1 | 10.7% | 1.3x | -- |
| Act | 2025-Q2 | 719.2 | 208.5 | 186.6 | 157.0 | 140.8 | 114.5 | -26.3 | 17,617 | 4,667 | 64.3 | 10.2% | 1.2x | -- |
| Act | 2025-Q1 | 709.1 | 201.0 | 179.1 | 150.9 | -296.1 | -337.1 | -41.0 | 9,252 | 4,716 | 64.3 | 9.9% | 1.2x | 5.0x |
| Act | 2024-Q4 | 723.5 | 205.4 | 184.0 | 154.9 | 64.3 | 26.7 | -37.7 | 25,262 | 4,588 | 64.2 | 10.7% | 1.1x | -- |
| Act | 2024-Q3 | 721.9 | 196.0 | 175.2 | 146.5 | 307.2 | 281.9 | -25.3 | 24,508 | 4,259 | 64.1 | 10.2% | 1.0x | -- |
| Act | 2024-Q2 | 707.5 | 195.6 | 175.2 | 145.5 | 129.6 | 103.0 | -26.6 | 22,256 | 4,022 | 64.3 | 11.6% | 1.0x | -- |
| Act | 2024-Q1 | 696.9 | 181.8 | 161.6 | 135.7 | 488.4 | 450.3 | -38.2 | 23,561 | 4,207 | 64.4 | 10.4% | 0.9x | -- |
| Act | 2023-Q4 | 692.8 | 140.9 | 120.7 | 102.6 | -83.0 | -123.6 | -40.6 | 25,181 | 4,364 | 64.3 | 7.5% | 0.7x | -- |
| Act | 2023-Q3 | 667.1 | 206.2 | 187.0 | 155.7 | 238.7 | 205.8 | -32.9 | 23,648 | 3,971 | 64.2 | 14.3% | 1.2x | -- |
| Act | 2023-Q2 | 645.9 | 212.5 | 193.9 | 162.1 | 154.8 | 115.8 | -39.1 | 24,259 | 3,806 | 64.4 | 14.1% | 1.4x | -- |
| Act | 2023-Q1 | 640.5 | 229.3 | 210.8 | 177.7 | 168.4 | 122.2 | -46.1 | 27,194 | 4,517 | 64.6 | 13.2% | 1.7x | -- |
| Act | 2022-Q4 | 610.2 | 237.9 | 219.8 | 191.2 | 182.7 | 135.8 | -46.9 | 30,064 | 4,935 | 64.7 | 13.9% | 2.2x | -- |
| Act | 2022-Q3 | 508.2 | 215.4 | 197.5 | 169.8 | 244.9 | 217.2 | -27.6 | 30,928 | 2,331 | 64.5 | 26.5% | 4.1x | -- |
| Act | 2022-Q2 | 404.5 | 157.6 | 139.8 | 119.1 | -37.8 | -53.4 | -15.6 | 30,335 | 1,930 | 64.5 | 17.6% | 8.6x | -- |
| Act | 2022-Q1 | 357.7 | 129.3 | 111.7 | 99.1 | 332.8 | 320.5 | -12.4 | 30,642 | 2,100 | 64.5 | 11.9% | 18.0x | -- |
AI Analysis
LLM Evaluations
Cullen/Frost is a high-quality Texas regional bank with an excellent organic growth strategy, strong credit culture (11bp net charge-offs), and a fortress balance sheet (14.07% CET1). The branch expansion is inflecting toward profitability with $0.14 EPS accretion in Q1 2026, and the record $6.8B commercial pipeline supports continued loan growth. However, the stock trades at a meaningful premium to regional bank peers (~14.4x P/E vs sector ~10-11x), which already discounts much of the franchise value. The 51% uninsured deposit ratio is a structural vulnerability, expense growth is outpacing revenue in some periods, and intensifying competition from national banks in Texas metros limits upside. At current prices, the risk/reward is modestly positive given the dividend yield (3.4%), buyback support, and improving expansion economics, but the premium valuation caps the upside meaningfully.
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Transcript Summary
Cullen/Frost Bankers reported a successful Q1 2026, with net income rising 13.4% to $169.3 million and EPS increasing 15.2% to $2.65. The bank's organic growth strategy remains a primary driver, particularly through its branch expansion in Houston, Dallas, and Austin, which contributed $0.14 to EPS accretion. Average loans grew to $22 billion, while average deposits reached $42.2 billion. The consumer segment maintained its market-leading satisfaction ratings, with consumer loan balances up 19% YoY. On the commercial side, the bank achieved a record first quarter for new relationships (1,016) and an all-time high loan pipeline of $6.8 billion. Credit quality remains healthy with NPAs at 0.33% of loans, despite a rise in OAEM loans that management expects to resolve soon. The Net Interest Margin improved to 3.74%. CFO Dan Geddes highlighted a strategic focus on the investment portfolio and indicated that guidance assumes one 25-bps Fed rate cut in Q4. However, the earnings call was terminated early due to technical difficulties, preventing the scheduled Q&A session. Overall, the results reflect strong momentum across both consumer and commercial lines of business.
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Options
| Strike | Call Bid/Ask | Call OI | Put Bid/Ask | Put OI |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| $120.00 | $18.40/$22.10 | 0 | $0.60/$3.10 | 1 |
| $125.00 | $13.80/$17.50 | 0 | --/$3.40 | 4 |
| $130.00 | $10.00/$13.30 | 1 | $0.70/$4.20 | 1 |
| $135.00 | $6.00/$9.60 | 50 | $3.20/$4.10 | 3 |
| $140.00 | $4.40/$5.70 | 9 | $5.00/$6.10 | 4 |
| $145.00 | $2.40/$4.40 | 10 | $7.20/$10.40 | 0 |
| $150.00 | $0.70/$3.50 | 25 | $10.60/$14.20 | 0 |
| $155.00 | $0.35/$1.00 | 1,223 | $14.90/$18.90 | 0 |
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In Q1 2026 so far (quarter still filing), institutions are net buyers — bought 9.6% of float, sold 5.4%. 1 filer moved >1% of shares (1 buying, 0 selling).
Ownership composition
Top holders
| Fund | $ value | Cost basis | Δ QoQ | Δ YoY | α life | Fund AUM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| BlackRock, Inc.Passive | $971M | $110.37 | +$4.8M | +$140M | -0.2% | $5.69T |
| Aristotle Capital Management, LLC | $653M | $103.62 | −$33.6M | −$123M | -0.5% | $47.77B |
| STATE STREET CORPPassive | $425M | $105.07 | −$34.5M | −$51.2M | -0.2% | $2.89T |
| First Eagle Investment Management, LLC | $311M | $137.08 | +$311M | +$311M | +0.7% | $58.96B |
| DIMENSIONAL FUND ADVISORS LPPassive | $210M | $114.10 | +$32.5M | +$64.9M | -0.4% | $480.92B |
| GEODE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT, LLCPassive | $182M | $115.17 | +$14.6M | +$25.4M | +2.3% | $1.61T |
| KING LUTHER CAPITAL MANAGEMENT CORP | $182M | $107.47 | −$871K | −$16.2M | -0.5% | $23.14B |
| BANK OF AMERICA CORP /DE/ | $166M | $114.21 | +$17.5M | +$11.3M | -0.1% | $1.36T |
| BTIM Corp. | $133M | $109.76 | −$10.4M | −$19.8M | -0.6% | $12.16B |
| NORTHERN TRUST CORPPassive | $130M | $118.46 | −$419K | −$14.4M | -0.2% | $755.34B |
| Champlain Investment Partners, LLC | $117M | $95.61 | −$42.9M | −$118M | -2.5% | $7.75B |
| MORGAN STANLEY | $117M | $111.64 | +$28.8M | +$27.3M | -0.3% | $1.65T |
| FIRST TRUST ADVISORS LP | $108M | $120.08 | +$6.3M | +$16.8M | -0.9% | $139.72B |
| WESTWOOD HOLDINGS GROUP INC | $102M | $114.05 | −$4.8M | +$42.6M | -0.3% | $13.73B |
| GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP INC | $96.2M | $106.94 | −$4.7M | +$13.2M | -0.2% | $760.93B |
| PRINCIPAL FINANCIAL GROUP INC | $90.8M | $105.21 | −$3.6M | −$20.5M | -0.3% | $186.29B |
| TWO SIGMA INVESTMENTS, LP | $90.5M | $123.11 | +$46.2M | +$87.0M | -0.7% | $117.03B |
| JANUS HENDERSON GROUP PLC | $88.7M | $117.10 | −$43.5M | −$26.1M | +1.5% | $209.29B |
| WILLIAM BLAIR INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT, LLC | $83.9M | $137.08 | +$83.9M | +$83.9M | -0.4% | $30.11B |
| JPMORGAN CHASE & CO | $83.1M | $97.66 | −$6.5M | −$22.9M | -0.2% | $1.47T |
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Insider Trading (last 12mo)
| Date | Side | Insider | Title | Shares | Price | Dollars | Owned $ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2026-01-30 | SELL | Berman Bobby | officer: GEVP Research & Strategy | 1,000 | $137.07 | $137K | $3.89M |
| 2025-12-12 | SELL | Pullin Ericka Lynn | officer: GEVP, Culture & People Dev. | 0 | $129.72 | $43 | $263K |
| 2025-12-09 | SELL | Rhodes Coolidge E JR | officer: Group EVP General Counsel/Sec | 700 | $127.00 | $89K | $482K |
Order Flow (FINRA, ~3w lag)
Revenue Breakdown
Revenue Segments
| Bank | $520.9M | +6% |
| Frost Wealth Advisors | $57.0M | +9% |
| Non Banks | $-3.0M | -- |
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Cullen/Frost Bankers, Inc.: Robust Capital Fortress Masking Concentrated Insider Exposure and AOCI Drags
Counter-Thesis
Counter-Thesis & Recent News
In April 2026, Evercore ISI lowered its price target for CFR from $155 to $150, following a similar move by Morgan Stanley in March 2026, which cut its target to $133 while maintaining an 'Underweight' rating. The bank's Q1 2026 earnings report (April 30, 2026) revealed a $2.4 million spike in deposit fraud losses and a 10.4% year-over-year increase in other non-interest expenses, including rising professional service and cloud costs (PR Newswire, April 2026).
The bear case centers on a rich valuation and liquidity risk. CFR trades at a P/E of approximately 14.4x, well above the sector's preferred 10x ceiling, which analysts argue is not justified by its current return metrics (Seeking Alpha, Nov 2025). Furthermore, over 51% of CFR's total deposits are uninsured—significantly higher than the industry-standard 30% safety threshold—leaving the bank highly vulnerable to deposit flight during periods of economic stress or market volatility (Seeking Alpha, Nov 2025; Public.com, April 2026).
Major institutions maintain aggressive bearish stances, with Morgan Stanley and Citigroup issuing 'Underweight' and 'Sell' ratings respectively through early 2026. A significant red flag is the 'high-single digit' growth in non-interest expenses projected for 2025-2026, which is outpacing revenue growth in some segments as the bank struggles to scale its branch expansion profitably (Public.com, April 2026). Additionally, rising deposit fraud losses suggest potential weaknesses in internal payment security protocols.
CFR's exclusive focus on the Texas market has become a liability as national giants like JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America aggressively expand their footprint in Houston, Dallas, and Austin. This geographic concentration makes CFR uniquely susceptible to a regional economic slowdown in the Texas energy or real estate sectors, while its relationship-based model faces margin pressure from digital-first competitors offering higher yields to attract the bank's core deposit base.
Sentiment is under pressure due to security concerns; the reported $2.4 million increase in fraud losses related to payment systems in early 2026 (PR Newswire) indicates potential friction for customers experiencing account compromises. Furthermore, legal challenges such as the 'Santos v. Cullen/Frost' and other retail-focused litigation suggest ongoing disputes regarding account management and service reliability.
Full Earnings Call Transcript
Full Earnings Call Transcript — Q1 • 2026-04-30
Operator: Greetings. Welcome to Cullen/Frost Bankers Inc. First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Ed Mendez, Senior Vice President and Director of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin. Unknown Executive: Thanks, Sherry. This afternoon's conference call will be led by Phil Green, Chairman and CEO; and Dan Geddes, Group Executive Vice President and CFO. Before I turn the call over to Phil and Dan, I need to take a moment to address the safe harbor provisions. Some of the remarks made today will constitute forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. We intend such statements to be covered by the safe harbor provisions for forward-looking statements contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. Please see the last page of text in this morning's earnings release for additional information about the risk factors associated with these forward-looking statements. If needed, a copy of the release is available on our website or by calling the Investor Relations department at (210) 220-5234. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Phil. Phillip Green: Thanks, A.B. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining us. As is our practice, today, we'll review the first quarter 2026 results for Cullen/Frost and our Chief Financial Officer, Dan Geddes, will provide additional commentary and guidance updates before we take your questions. In the first quarter of 2026, Cullen/Frost earned $169.3 million, an increase of 13.4% compared to the $149.3 million earned in the first quarter of last year. Per share earnings for the first quarter were $2.65, and that was an increase of 15.2% from the $2.30 in the first quarter last year. Our return on average assets and average common equity in the first quarter were 1.32% and 15.15%, respectively and that compares with 1.19% and 15.54% in the first quarter of last year. Average deposits in the first quarter were $42.2 billion, an increase from the $41.7 billion in the same quarter last year and average loans grew to $22 billion in the first quarter, up from $20.8 billion in the first quarter of last year. In past quarters, we've discussed the success of our organic branch expansion strategy in the Houston, Dallas and Austin regions. I thought it would be helpful to point out that those results have excluded the successes of a growing number of new locations that we have opened in markets outside of those announced regions. For example, since the initial launch of our first Houston expansion in late 2018, we've actually opened 8 of these financial centers outside of those announced regions. That's the same number of locations we opened in our 20 -- excuse me, in our Houston 2.0 expansion. So going forward, we'll incorporate all the new locations as we talk about the performance of our branch expansion strategy, and Dan will talk more about these numbers in his prepared remarks. Turning now to our consumer line of business. Our consumer bank earned the J.D. Power award for customer satisfaction in consumer banking in Texas for the 17th consecutive year. While we don't do this for the awards, this sustained consistency in delivering excellence signals that our culture remains strong even after tripling our locations in Dallas doubling our locations in Houston and doubling our footprint in the Austin region. It also sends a powerful message to prospects that Frost is here to help them. In an extremely competitive banking market with many new entrants, our industry-leading customer experience continues to drive what we believe is some of the strongest organic growth results in the industry. Year-over-year, consumer checking households grew 5.3%, and year-over-year consumer loan balances increased 19%. Consumer loan growth totaled $154 million in the first quarter alone, which is nearly double Q1 2025 growth. This success was driven by our mortgage products, which grew $124 million in the quarter and reached $719 million in total outstanding balances. Looking at consumer deposits, I like to... [Technical Difficulty] Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, I apologize for the technical difficulties. I would now like to turn the call back over to management. Phillip Green: We're sorry for the delay. I'll start back approximately where I was or I believe I was when we had a technical difficulty. We were looking at consumer deposits, and I wanted to look at what was happening with consumer checking and savings balances because those 2 categories to me, are less interest-sensitive and reflect, I think, what's happening with households. And if I adjust out the loss of balances from one extremely large account in the fourth quarter, as a result of activities surrounding the administration of this account owners estate, consumer checking and savings balances increased 3% and 2%, respectively, on a linked-quarter basis. Our commercial business continued to perform well, and I am encouraged by the momentum we're seeing in this segment. For example, looking at new relationships. This marked the fourth consecutive quarter where we delivered over 1,000 new relationships. The 1,016 we generated represents our highest first quarter performance on record. 46% of our new relationships came from the 2 big [indiscernible] banks and 8% came from, what I'll call, disruption, represented by organizations going through an acquisition. Looking further at our loan pipeline, our growth pipeline, what I'll call, new opportunities was $6.8 billion and represented a 55% increase over the previous quarter and represented our all-time high. It reflected origination strength across regions, segments and deal sizes. Our 90-day weighted pipeline increased 38% from the prior quarter and at almost $2 billion represented our highest weighted pipeline on record. Our overall credit quality remains good by historical standards with net charge-offs and nonperforming assets both at healthy levels. Nonperforming assets were $73 million at the end of the first quarter and were in line with the $72 million from last quarter and $85 million a year ago. The year-end nonperforming asset figure represents 33 basis points of period-end loans and 14 basis points of total assets, both the same as last quarter. Net charge-offs for the first quarter were $5.8 million compared to the same $5.8 million figure last quarter and $9.7 million a year ago. Annualized net charge-offs for the first quarter represent 11 basis points of average loans, the same as last quarter and down from 19 basis points a year ago. Total problem loans, which we define as risk grade 10 or higher, otherwise known as OAEM, totaled $989 million at the end of the first quarter up from $857 million last quarter and $889 million a year ago. All of the net increase can be attributed to loans in the risk grade 10 category and we expect to see some large resolutions in the second and third quarters. Overall, I continue to be pleased with these results and the success of our people, expanding our business. while providing world-class service as evidenced by the awards we continue to receive. With that, I'll turn it over to Dan for some additional insights. Dan Geddes: Thank you, Phil. Let me start off by giving some additional color on our branch expansion growth. As Phil mentioned, this performance now includes 8 additional branches opened since we began Houston 1.0 and outside of our announced expansions in Houston, Dallas and Austin. During the first quarter, our branch expansion delivered $0.14 or 5.6% of EPS accretion. We continue to be pleased with the volumes we've been able to achieve. On a year-over-year basis, average loans grew 33% and represents 12.7% of loans up from 10.1% a year ago, while average deposits grew 21%, representing 8.3% of deposits versus 7% in the same period last year. The expansion branches have now grown to $2.9 billion in loans, $3.6 billion in deposits and have added approximately 95,000 new households. As we have said in the past, our organic growth strategy is both durable and scalable. We opened 2 new locations in the first quarter, one in the Austin region and one in the Dallas region. Our current plan is to open an additional 10 to 12 branches over the balance of 2026. Now moving to the first quarter financial performance for the company. Our net interest margin percentage was 3.74% for the quarter, up 8 basis points from the 3.66% reported last quarter. Lower interest-bearing deposits and repos during the quarter, which negatively impacts net interest income had a positive impact on net interest margin due to a lower relative spread to the overnight rates. Looking at our investment portfolio. The total investment portfolio averaged $19.9 billion during the first quarter, flat with the previous quarter. Investment purchases during the quarter totaled $2.3 billion, consisting of $1.23 billion of treasuries, yielding 3.66%, $618 million of Agency MBS securities, yielding 5.09% and $423 million of municipals yielding 5.71% on a tax equivalent basis. Maturities during the quarter included $400 million of treasuries with an average yield of 3.44%, $540 million of municipals at an average tax equivalent yield of 3.53% and $430 million of Agency MBS paydowns. The net unrealized loss on available-for-sale portfolio at the end of the quarter was $1.15 billion compared to $1.04 billion reported at the end of the previous quarter. The tax equivalent yield on the total investment portfolio during the quarter was 3.85%, up 3 basis points from the previous quarter. The taxable portfolio averaged $12.7 billion flat with the prior quarter and had a yield of 3.39%, up slightly from 3.38% in the prior quarter. Our tax-exempt municipal portfolio averaged $7.1 billion down $76 million from the prior quarter and had a taxable equivalent yield of 4.73%, up 9 basis points from the prior quarter. At the end of the first quarter, approximately 69% of the municipal portfolio was pre-refunded or PSF insured. The duration of the investment portfolio at the end of the fourth quarter was 5.2 years, down from 5.3 years at the end of the fourth quarter. Looking at our funding sources. On a linked-quarter basis, average total deposits of $42.2 billion were down $1.1 billion from the previous quarter. This seasonal decrease was about 30% noninterest-bearing and 70% interest-bearing. The cost of interest-bearing deposits in the first quarter was 1.55%, down 20 basis points from 1.75% in the first quarter. Customer repos for the first quarter averaged $4.2 billion, down $426 million from the fourth quarter. The cost of customer repos for the quarter was 2.70%, down 17 basis points from the fourth quarter. Looking at noninterest income and expenses, I'll point out a couple of seasonal and onetime items impacting the linked quarter results. Regarding noninterest income, insurance commissions and fees were up $6.9 million. Recall that the first quarter is a seasonally strong quarter. Other income was down $4 million as we received our annual VISA volume bonus of $5.4 million in the fourth quarter. Salaries and wages were down $16.3 million compared to the linked quarter. Last quarter included approximately $4.2 million in onetime expenses related to our payroll transition from bi-monthly to biweekly. Additionally, the prior quarter included $7.2 million in higher stock compensation related to our stock awards granted in October of each year, some of which by their nature, require immediate expense recognition. FDIC deposit expense was up $8.6 million compared to a quarter ago as we reversed $8.4 million of our special FDIC insurance accrual in the fourth quarter of last year. Regarding our guidance for full year 2026, our current outlook includes 125 basis point cut for the Fed funds rate in the fourth quarter. We expect net interest ... [Technical Difficulty] Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your patience. Due to technical difficulties, we are unable to continue today's call and will need to cancel. We apologize for the inconvenience and ask that you please keep an eye on a press release for rescheduling detail shortly. Thank you for understanding.